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Scawen
Developer
We are getting very near to the end of this series of test patches now as I must get back to the real stuff I have been working until interrupted by the attacks.

Quote from DANIEL-CRO :Looks like IS_CIM packet isn't sent while online only in single player. Talking about LFS client to local InSim application.

I'll have a look at this, which is almost a bug, and see if I can implement those sub-mode states mentioned in your other post.

Quote from chucknorris :I'm actually quite happy with the new version, Thumbs up so I'm carefully raising my view to the horizon. Skins and PNG have been a recent thing, how about combining those two ? Wink

In the new graphics system that Eric is using to update the tracks, we have textures that use the alpha channel to control the shine level. So that would seem like a nice thing to consider on skins of the future but definitely not in this version.

Quote from valiugera :I still do not understand why after selecting an object that has already been placed I do not see where I move it with my hand. Confused

You can press CTRL+C if you want to copy the objects.

Why this is, I have tried to explain in a special thread: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92152
Scawen
Developer
That is the priority, yes.

These are the last few days of this test patch.

The full version is coming soon and I'm pleased it is more interesting (at least for some people) than simply a more robust way to connect to the master server and a fix for skin downloading.
The layout editor changes
Scawen
Developer
For any of you who are interested in editing layouts but haven't been following the test patch thread. There are some quite significant changes to the layout editor which make it more usable.

Here's a description of the new changes and the reasons behind the changes: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92152
The layout editor changes
Scawen
Developer
The layout editor has changed. It is now more powerful and works more like other editors.

It now uses a CUT / COPY / PASTE system using the standard Windows keys CTRL+X/C/V

This is different from the old editor style which was based on a select / duplicate / move type of logic which had some limitations and caused some problems.


The problem:

The problem in the old system was that when you selected some objects, they were selected in two ways simultaneously.
1) Visible 'in hand' where your mouse was pointing, ready to be placed in the world
2) The original objects you had selected were still selected

This caused some confusion. For example, if you had some blue tyres and you wanted to place some red ones, you might click the colour and that would change the object in your hand as well as the one on the ground, previously placed or selected.

There are various other examples such as modification of concrete object heights and rotation of objects that could be confusing or annoying because of the old selection method.


The solution:

The updated editor moves to a different editor logic that should be more familiar because of its similarity with other editors. You can cut, copy and paste.

The real improvement now is that there is a complete separation between the world objects that have been selected, and a selection of objects 'in hand'. Only one of these types of selection is active at any time, so if you make any changes to their colour, dimensions, heading, altitude then it only affects the one active selection.


How to use it:

You create a real world selection, as before, by clicking on object selection buttons. There are two ways to select multiple objects.

1) Hold CTRL and click on object selection buttons
2) Hold CTRL and draw a selection rectangle using the left mouse button

After making your selection you can adjust it in various ways using the on screen buttons or keys.

Maybe you would like to duplicate the selected objects. Press COPY and you will see a live selection in hand. Point to where you would like to place the objects and press PASTE or O to put the new objects there.

Maybe you would like to move your selected objects. There are two ways to do this.

1) Press CUT. The original objects are deleted and you will see them as a live selection in hand located at the mouse cursor. You can now make modifications to the selection as required before pasting or placing it in a new location.
2) Press COPY. You will see a live selection in hand while the original objects remain in the world. Make any changes to the selection then press M to move the original objects to their new position.

You can paste a copied selection in two ways:

1) O key: Place objects and keep a selection in hand to be placed again
2) PASTE: Paste the objects and the new objects will be selected, not leaving a selection in hand

Note: you can switch between the two selection styles by pressing COPY.

1) Real world objects selected -> press COPY -> now you have a selection in hand
2) In hand selection -> press COPY to UN-COPY the selection, i.e. reverts to the world object selection

Note: new PGUP and PGDN keys to adjust height for concrete and other floating objects.


Test patch download: EDIT: This is now in the official version 0.6T
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Scawen
Developer
Quote from Racon :Is the clipboard emptying on paste by design? It would be handier I think to leave it for multiple pastes, as we have C to clear it when we need to.

Yes, because you can only have a world selection or a clipboard selection but not both, which is the solution to various problems. If it went straight to clipboard selection by default then you would have to re-select the newly placed world objects if you needed to adjust them for any reason.

You can do multiple pastes by pressing O or CTRL+V again, the only difference is that you can't see the selection in hand before you press O. You can make it visible by pressing CTRL+C but that is not required.


[EDIT: one quote and answer removed - better answer below]

Quote from iceman121 :My biggest peeve with the layout editor is the increment that it got with the headings and positioning. The heading of the object has an increment of 1.4, and when I'm trying to match the object's heading to something else, it looks extremely uneven for me.

Also the object position has an increment starting with 0.06 then gets higher the more you move it.

This could be me just being too OCD about it, but it really bothers me nonetheless.

I understand that but there is a good reason for it.

This is because the layout objects are squeezed into a tiny 8 bytes each to allow it to be quickly downloaded as you join a server. That is the reason for the restricted resolution. It's not new with this test patch.
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Scawen
Developer
Test Patch R13 is now available for testing.

The layout editor has been updated a lot so if you ever use the layout editor, please give it a go!

Changes from 0.6R12 to 0.6R13 :

Layout editor :

New cut / copy / paste system replaces old duplicate / move system
PGUP and PGDN can now be used to adjust Z value of selected objects
C key now clears selected object type as well as selected objects
It is now possible to set marshall circles to have zero diameter
Objects and marshall circles can now be selected at the same time
You can hold SHIFT to keep objects selected when exiting edit mode

Interface :

Added two more translation strings to avoid misleading messages
Additional translation strings for new functions in layout editor
Clip mouse to screen is now CTRL+M as CTRL+C is now used for copy
More translations updated - Thank you translators!

InSim :

New values TTC_SEL_START and TTC_SEL_STOP for IS_TTC
New value PMO_GET_Z for IS_AXM packet to report Z values
New value PMO_SELECTION_REAL for PMOFlags with PMO_SELECTION
Simplified SubMode values for free view in IS_CIM

Misc :

New check for corrupted 3D models to avoid possible crash on load

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92067
Scawen
Developer
Quote from zakaruny :How to remove the patch ? 0.6R12 to 0.6R

I'd be interested to know why you don't want to use the test patch. Any problem with it? Now's the time to report it so we make sure the final version doesn't have any issues.

But yeah it's very easy to revert you simply use the R exe. Usually it's recommended that you save the exe before using a test patch but I don't seem to have written that this time.

EDIT: Added a note about that in the first post.
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Scawen
Developer
Information: We did intend to release the full version this weekend but for various reasons we have decided to go on a few more days. I hope to put another test patch here on Monday or Tuesday. But for now it seems R12 works well.
Scawen
Developer
Test Patch R12 is now available.

Changes from 0.6R11 to 0.6R12 :

Interface :

New free view camera position text command /cp
/cp will copy a text camera position to the clipboard
The resulting text can be saved in a text file, forum, etc. or into
another instance of Live for Speed to reproduce.the camera position

Many translations updated - Thank you translators!

Graphics :

Slight reduction in some excessively bright driver models

InSim :

New value PMO_POSITION for IS_AXM packet to report a blank position
New packet IS_CIM reports a connection's interface / editor mode

Download :

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92067
Scawen
Developer
That is really off topic as it's nothing to do with the test patch.

But, for a quick answer, the new tyre physics is based on a mathematical model for producing the output forces from the current state of the tyre (velocity, rotation, camber etc.) instead of a 'made up' combination of lateral and longitudinal forces from 'made up' slip curves to try to match the data. It provides a more realistic response for steering and application of throttle and brakes, affect of camber and so on. It feels good to drive but is not finished and I would like to get it done for the big update we are currently working on (which is a really important graphical update).

I guess you could find more information about the tyre model by searching for my posts, but you would have to search back quite far. I'm a bit too busy to go looking for it now.
Scawen
Developer
Test Patch R11 is now available with more graphical fixes.

Changes from 0.6R9 to 0.6R11 :

More informative error report for "Unknown file transfer error"
FIX : Lighting restored to most objects (to appear darker in shade)
FIX : Some objects at Blackwood looked the same e.g. ads over pits
FIX : XR front lights were plain white in the recent test patches

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92067
Scawen
Developer
Test Patch R10 is now available.

Changes from 0.6R9 to 0.6R10 :

More informative error report for "Unknown file transfer error"
Lighting restored to most objects (so they appear darker in shade)

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92067

I know there are more things to fix but I wanted to get this one out more quickly so we can solve the skin download issue that affects some people. Anyone else can also benefit from the restored lighting on objects.
Scawen
Developer
Quote from rosewood2 :Small update: It turns out that some skins actually came through, while the rest gets rejected. (see screenshot)

Thanks, please check here in a couple of hours - I'll try to post an R10 test that shows the actual error text so we can figure this out.
Scawen
Developer
Yes, we can't make the old version download skins with the new website protection.

The fix is in the test patch: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92067
Scawen
Developer
Quote from Degats :It was also reported here

Tnanks. I've made a note to add a more informative error message in the next test patch.
Scawen
Developer
Test Patch R9 is recommended for anyone who wants to get online.
Please let us know how it goes with the latest server updates.
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92067
Scawen
Developer
If you'd like to go online, I recommend the test patch R9.
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92067
Scawen
Developer
Test Patch 0.6R9:

Changes from R8 to R9:

Faster one time file conversion straight to DDS about 20 seconds
FIX : Multiplayer replays corrupted file error message in 0.6R8
FIX : Misleading warning messages about missing sky textures
FIX : A message about a missing file when loading Fern Bay

https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1935638#post1935638
Scawen
Developer
There's not really much point talking about the master server status on this thread. This thread is about the test patch. It can sometimes connect to the master server when the old one cannot.

But, for now, it cannot connect when we have a full scale massive DDOS attack. You can check the status by looking at this graph.
https://www.lfsworld.net/totalonlinegraph2.php?text=1&width=419&height=165&bgcol=F4F4F5&col=207eba&abc=1522916411

As I keep saying, we are still working on solutions for the attacks. That doesn't mean we are hoping they go away. It means we are actively working on solutions.

Now, please can we stay on topic, and talk about the test patch.here on the test patch thread?
Scawen
Developer
We are still working on solutions for the master server.

In the meantime, go ahead and check the status at www.lfsworld.net

Or use this link https://www.lfsworld.net/totalonlinegraph2.php?text=1&width=419&height=165&bgcol=F4F4F5&col=207eba&abc=1522916411

Let's not talk about the status of the master server attacks on the test patch thread.
Scawen
Developer
Quote from bobloblaw :Does this mean the official update will include the current WIP tracks?

That's not the plan. This patch is supposed to be a quick update to help get LFS back online again. On future plans, I'm hoping to release the new graphics system and new updated tracks with the new physics, not in this update (that is "hope" not "promise" for anyone reading - and we are talking months, not weeks, for that). I don't know if it's possible to re-enable any of that lost lighting info in the test patch but I'll have a look.

Quote from chucknorris :Sorry for the mood killer but the replay function seems broken.
I've played on a R & R8 server. Both replays won't start with a "Corrupted file" message.

I can reproduce that bug - seems you can record MP replays but you cannot playback MP replays.

Quote from dragon66 :I didn't get the 40 second hang and can't connect to any servers. Also did not have to re activate which is weird.

Maybe you had R7 before so you already converted the files. You can't connect to the servers when we are under attack. Check the status at www.lfsworld.net - we are still working on the server side solution for that.

Quote from RC-Maus :LFS R8 can't connect to master also Dcom R8 lost connection to master Frown

Please check the status at www.lfsworld.net - you can connect when we are not under attack.

Quote from Krisz16 :After installation:

Could not open vertex shader (World2)
Could not open pixel shader (World2)

Incorrect installation - there are some World2 files in the installer which need to be in the data\shaders folder.
Test Patch 0.6R8 DCon
Scawen
Developer
Hello Hosters,

Here is a test patch DCon with a more robust way of connecting to the master server.

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92067-Test-Patch-0-6R8
Test Patch 0.6R8
Scawen
Developer
Hello Racers,

Here is a test patch with a more robust way of connecting to the master server.

Also it allows automatic skin downloading to work again.

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92067-Test-Patch-0-6R8
Test Patch 0.6R8 (now R22)
Scawen
Developer
WARNING: THIS IS A TEST

NOTE: THIS DOES NOT CONTAIN NEW TYRE PHYSICS

PLEASE TEST BEFORE YOU POST


Hello Racers,

Here is a new TEST PATCH: 0.6R22

It contains some updates related to some recent changes on our servers:
- A more robust method for connecting to the master server
- Skin downloading now works with the updated website

There are many updates to the layout editor.
These are described in the change log below and in a separate thread:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92152

0.6R22 is compatible with 0.6R

- You CAN connect online with 0.6R
- You CAN play replays from 0.6R

You cannot upload hotlaps made with this test patch because it is only a test patch, not an official patch.

Please back up or rename your LFS.exe from version R so you can revert to it if necessary.


Changes from 0.6R21 to 0.6R22:

Layout editor:

ALT key now temporarily hides the outlines of selected objects

Interface:

More updated translations - Thank you translators!


Changes from 0.6R to 0.6R21:

Multiplayer:

More robust method for connecting to the master server
More informative error report for "Unknown file transfer error"
FIX: Skin downloading now works with the protected website

Layout editor:

New layout editor instructions: docs\Autocross.txt
New cut / copy / paste system using standard keyboard shortcuts
COPY (CTRL+C) toggles between real selection and copied selection
Place objects (O) key is equivalent to PASTE followed by COPY
Move objects (M) key is equivalent to CUT followed by PASTE
UNDO (CTRL+Z) and REDO (CTRL+Y) functions are now included
A green or yellow outline is drawn around the selected objects
Original objects are shown with a grey outline after COPY pressed
Editor buttons and keys affect real or copied selection - not both
PGUP / PGDN can now be used to adjust Z value of selected objects
C key now clears selected object type as well as selected objects
It is now possible to set marshall circles to have zero diameter
Objects and marshall circles can now be selected at the same time
Multiple object rectangle select CTRL+drag with left mouse button
Start position / checkpoints / finish line now in control section
You can hold SHIFT to keep objects selected when exiting edit mode

Graphics:

Slight reduction in some excessively bright driver models
RAW files are no longer used and skies now use DDS textures
Existing RAW files are converted the first time LFS is started
Removed option to view sky in 16-bit colour

Interface:

New URL for skin uploads lfs.net/skins
Text message dialog now has variable width
Clip mouse to screen is now CTRL+M as CTRL+C is used for copy
Command /axsel to copy layout editor selection text to clipboard

Free view camera position text command:

Type /cp to copy a text camera position to the clipboard
The resulting text can be saved in a text file, forum, etc. or into
another instance of Live for Speed to reproduce the camera position

Commands:

Improved processing of command line to be more flexible
New command /settings=X.txt - uses X.txt instead of cfg.txt
Command /settings must be the first on command line or in file
Command /mp (join local host) can now be used on the command line

Misc:

Live for Speed can now recover from a graphics driver error
Textures are no longer reloaded when changing weather (faster)
LFS starting in borderless window mode now goes to the same monitor
New option "Display LFS logo in game" (not optional in demo mode)
English file is no longer saved when LFS starts (can be deleted)
New check for corrupted 3D models to avoid possible crash on load

VR:

New commands to skip F8 menu /vr reset_headset and /vr use_relative

InSim:

New value PMO_POSITION for IS_AXM packet to report a blank position
New packet IS_CIM reports a connection's interface / editor mode
New values PMO_SELECTION_REAL and PMO_MOVE_MODIFY for PMOFlags
New values TTC_SEL_START and TTC_SEL_STOP for IS_TTC
New value PMO_GET_Z for IS_AXM packet to report Z values
New value PMO_AVOID_CHECK for PMO_ADD_OBJECTS avoids validity check
UCID can be set in some IS_AXM packets by an external InSim program
to make the resulting packets appear as if sent by an editing admin
(PMO_ADD_OBJECTS / PMO_DEL_OBJECTS / PMO_CLEAR_ALL)


INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS:

A FULL version of LFS 0.6R must already be installed


To install the PATCH using the SELF EXTRACTING ARCHIVE:

1) Move or save the patch into your main LFS folder
2) Double click the patch to extract it to that folder
3) When you see "Confirm File Replace" select "Yes to All"
4) Now you can start LFS in the normal way

NOTE: You can see if the patch is correctly installed when you run
the program (LFS.exe). At the bottom of the entry screen: 0.6R22


DOWNLOADS:

IF YOU ALREADY HAVE 0.6R:
PATCH 0.6R TO 0.6R22 (SELF EXTRACTING ARCHIVE)
www.lfs.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_6R_TO_6R22.exe (1.4 MB)

FOR HOSTING ONLY:
DEDICATED HOST 0.6R22 (non-graphical version for hosting only):
www.lfs.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S3_DCON_6R22.zip (1.8 MB)
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Scawen
Developer
Can all of you access www.lfsworld.net - I can't at the moment although Victor can.

EDIT : OK thanks for the test, I think it was a DNS propagation issue and my ISP isn't updated yet.
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